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Oh my goodness! This is just too much! Your videos are always express exactly how I feel!
Anna Reply:October 28th, 2013 at 7:05 am
Thanks, Mere! 🙂
MAN I finished like 3 days ago and I was dying waiting for someone to finish.
They had sex, they totally did.
I had a thought earlier today – because for the last 3 days I couldn’t think about it or I lost it – I couldn’t even listen to some SONGS b/c they made me think about Four and Tris (and I didn’t think I had a problem w/ the dual narrators, but you’re right, I did sometimes think it was one person to discover it was the other).
WHAT IF. What if we do a total paradigm shift, reread the trilogy, and think “THIS IS ALL ABOUT FOUR.” Not Tris. Not Fortress. Just, Four. It’s his growth, change, whatever. I don’t know. I probably won’t reread them. I was sobbing so hard towards the end that I had to take a minute like every 20 seconds to chill out, and I was pretty sure I was going to wake my kid with my sobbing. (But I love books too much to throw them!)
I am pissed off. It’s like, here’s this whole series showing Tris and she grows and becomes strong and so she overestimates her abilities and, let’s face it, basically kills herself. Why. Why did we get so invested in her growth only to have it end like that? So except for that jerk Caleb, her whole family dies trying to protect and then expose the secret? Pfft.
(My other thought is that Divergent is a different city within Erin Bowman’s “Taken”)
I’m going to go scrub my brain with some TVD now.
Anna Reply:October 28th, 2013 at 7:07 am
Seriously, I can’t stop thinking of it — too much sorrow to get over that quickly! Which is why I think I liked it. It made me feel so much!
But…like you, there’s some anger and feeling of “WHY?!” there too.
Haven’t read Taken yet — have to check it out..hmm!
Sarah/appifanie Reply:October 28th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
Oh I just read some of the comments on this Allegiant article – http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/10/28/allegiant-ending-tris-veronica-roth/ – and it definitely brings up some (I think) valid points. – a quote from there:
“The problem was not that she killed the main character, or even why she did; the problem was that she didn’t do it well. A well-written death can evoke tears and sadness but also a sense of fulfillment in the character’s journey, brief as it was. Most people, myself included, came out of this feeling empty and flat and depressed.”
Milly Reply:March 30th, 2014 at 11:07 pm
I just finished the book and am totally destroyed… What has helped the most since you finished it? I haven’t felted this empty, flat and depressed due to a book ending….. It is good to hear from people who seem to have reacted the same way.
This is THE BEST THING EVER. OMG. I love you. We will discuss in length tmrw at work.
The amount of times I had to backtrack to see if it was a Tris or Four chapter!!
More than once I was reading thinking it was one of them, like I would think it was Tris, and then the narrator would look at Tris and I would realise Four was narrating. Gah!!
Anna Reply:October 28th, 2013 at 7:08 am
It was a BIG issue, wasn’t it? Grr. I mean, at the end it’s OBVIOUS why she did it — but it messed up the path to get to that point. I’d seriously get a few page into a chapter and then suddenly Tris was IN THE SCENE — when I thought I was in her point of view. Tris and Four seriously cannot be THAT similar.
Finally a spot to talk with spoilers! I don’t care what anyone says. I loved the ending. The last few chapters were a little blurry due to all the tears streaming down my face. I think it was a fitting ending. Tris was all about self-sacrifice, so I wasn’t totally surprised about the ending. I didn’t get emotional when she died, but when Tobias and Christina found out…well you know.
There are just too many feelings about this book! Tori! Uriah! I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who couldn’t tell the difference between the chapters.Even with all the problems I still loved Allegiant. Awesome video 🙂
THIS EXACTLY — it sucked, but it was true to Tris, you know?
I loved Allegiant so much!! Occasionally I had to check the narrator but I love hearing from Tobias’ point of view.
I could barely read the last few pages because I was crying!!
I thought this book brought a total shift in what the books were about. It made it more serious and made me really think about what’s right and what’s wrong.
I really wanted to kill Tobias at times and I really wanted to just yell at Tris too, but that’s what made it so great. I’m so sad that it’s over 🙁
Anna Reply:October 28th, 2013 at 7:10 am
That’s what I loved too — how often it got me thinking seriously. So many page corners turned over (gasp! I know! I do that!) for pages with quotations I like about things like grief, and death and what love means and bravery.
YES!!! I love your blog, we have very similar views. HA! Fortress! Seriously, they are DIFFERENT, we should have been able to tell. Or at least put WHO THE NARRATOR IS at the top of each page. AND REALLY? SHE SURVIVED FREAKING DEATH SERUM TO GET SHOT?? Unfreakingbelievable. Of COURSE she took Caleb’s place. But she didn’t have to DIE. GAH.
Anna Reply:October 28th, 2013 at 10:26 am
Glad you’re with me, Jahnelle! I’m glad you mentioned Caleb — I had an issue with him too. I didn’t “get” his motivations or why he was to evil but then sort of changed so quickly at the end. Not enough development there!
I agree with everything you said – the alternating narration, Tris’ death, etc. And what about Four’s mom??? She chose him that quickly and turned her life around?? It’s scary how angry some people have been – one reader online wanted to punch Veronica in the throat! That’s a little much, to want to cause her bodily harm. I wasn’t thrilled with Tris’ death. I didn’t expect a happy ending, but I think there were other ways that it could have ended and it would have shown Tris’ sacrifice. I also wish that Four and and Tris would’ve been together at the end. It would have been heartbreaking, but Four maybe would’ve had some closure. I don’t feel that Veronica should’ve catered the book to the readers, but she had to have known that it was going to crush us. Her readers are why there was a 2nd and 3rd book, so I feel she could’ve given us some hope for Tris and the gang in the end. I know Four had his friends in the end, but I worry about him! I’ll read this again someday, but not now. Thanks for wanting to talk about this! My friends haven’t read it yet and I was dying to talk about it!
Anna Reply:October 28th, 2013 at 10:28 am
OMG YES FOUR’S MOM! WHAT THE WHAT!!! Like, obviously I have a lot of issues with the book, but like you I am sad so many people are getting angry over just the one part. I sort of loved how bittersweet it was. (Well, was there any sweet? — I guess I mean sorrowful). You’re right though, it’s just CRUSHING. I still can’t decide how I feel about it overall. I said in the video I loved it, but I still do waffle back and forth!
Confession: We haven’t read the book, but we did read spoilers. We don’t have any feelings about the ending, per se, but your video definitely amused us. 🙂
Anna Reply:October 28th, 2013 at 10:24 am
HAHAHA you sneaks!
I still can’t decide what I think…SO MANY EMOTIONS.
Your stick figures rock my socks off.
Anna Reply:October 28th, 2013 at 12:52 pm
My heart is still achey!
I think everybody had the same problem with the dual POV. They’re different people they should sound different. The ending upset me but I understood it. I mean, looking back it was all leading up to it. But I’m still so sad. I cried so many tears. And Four’s reaction. Four’s reaction. When he just sinks to his knees next to the table Tris’s body is on. Oh god. I just died a little. I also feel like I died from emotional whiplash. Lol.
I didn’t like what was on the outside. I thought it was lame. 🙁
But despite all of its problems, I did like it. I agree with you that it sent some powerful messages about bravery and love. Oh and sacrifice. But I’m still depressed.
P.S. I love your videos! They are so awesome!
Anna Reply:October 28th, 2013 at 12:57 pm
1. Thank you! So glad you guys like my silly videos. 2. Emotional whiplash. Seriously. 3. I still don’t know how I feel about what was on the outside. Too many other things to process first!
LOVE this video because it just sums it all up so perfectly.
While, OMG TRIS, seriously. I totalllly think it worked for HER character. There was NO WAY she’d let her brother go in there! Even despite EVERYTHING he had done, that’s not how Tris rolls!
I ALSO had trouble with the POV’s but I did love that we got both POVs in general. ALSO, OMG FOUR I LOVE YOU. Seriously, he is so sweet in the epilogue, it really just pulled it all together.
So yes, CRUMBLED MY SOUL but in a good way.
Anna Reply:October 28th, 2013 at 1:00 pm
Right, like, I personally wouldn’t be like, “Hey, wouldn’t it be awesome if they killed Tris?” But I didn’t react as negatively as I would have with any other book because it was so HER. Also: What you gotta be mentioning Four crumbling! GAHHHH I cannot be reminded or I will cry again!
Your video summed up my whole reaction to the book. There were a lot of things in the book that didn’t work for me but for some reason, I did love it. I struggled through the perspectives and what I thought were abrupt character changes (like Four’s Mom situation). Despite all the things that bothered me, I still got my emotional (and relational) maturity finally from Tris and Four (what DID they do overnight?!). I wish that I would have had more of a connection to Uriah and Christina…I feel like they were side roles that all of the sudden got pushed to the forefront. I know we got glimpses of them but they just didn’t seem to carry the weight of emotion in me like Tris and Four.
Loved your video and so glad that I’m not crazy!
Anna Reply:October 28th, 2013 at 2:30 pm
Isn’t it nice to know a lot of had a similar reaction: Liking it, being moved by it — but still having a lot of issues? Loved that you brought up Four’s Mom. Caleb, too. I just didn’t get their abrupt character changes.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again… I adore your videos, Anna. 🙂
Anna Reply:October 28th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
Ok, I had been eagerly waiting for this book since I finished Insurgent and I have NEVER been so let down by a book-EVER! I LOVED this series! LOVED IT! I re-read the first two in anticipation of this one. I had no problem with the dual POV. Didn’t mind it at all. Killing Tris, I saw ABSOLUTELY no reason for it. Why make her realize that she wants to live in Insurgent and then kill her off in such a non-sensical way? It should have been her trying to take the back pack from Caleb and HIM sacrificing himself. And I felt the world outside the city was such a major letdown. It didn’t make a lot of sense and at times it felt like Veronica was confused , like she wasn’t sure what she was trying to create . But I could have accepted all that if she wouldn’t have killed Tris. I really didn’t even feel like this was the same series. It’s also making me nervous for some of the other series I am eagerly waiting, such as Throne of Glass and Cinder. Such a major disappointment for me! 🙁
Anna Reply:October 28th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
I COMPLETELY get where you’re coming from — all that investment for what? It’s hard on a reader!!!
This book was sort of in the middle of the scale for me. Compared to the first 2 books, I just felt like a few things happened too easily. Like when they left the city, ready for war or whatever fate was awaiting them….and then they’re just taken to a compound safe house, and given clothes and food and anything else they need? I was like, that’s it?? Nothing felt immediate, and they seemed to have all this time to plan their next move. It made me miss the immediacy of things in Insurgent, where they’re getting shot at half the time and have to think on their feet.
And then there’s Caleb, a character I will never understand. I kept thinking something would come to light that would let us know his motives more, cause he didn’t seem like an inherently evil person…but I was left wanting a bit more.
And finally, I would have been totally on board with that ending….if in the epilogue, she hinted at a romance between Tobias and Christina. Not a major thing, just maybe their hands touching or a lingering glance maybe? I feel like the only people they could ever love now is each other, because they both lost their true loves and they both “get it”, you know?
Overall…I LOVED Divergent, really liked Insurgent, and am still on the fence with Allegiant.
Anna Reply:October 29th, 2013 at 2:48 pm
Oh man the Tobias & Christina thing. Was she trying to imply something? I couldn’t decide if I was reading into it or that was her intent…
Agreed 100% on the ratings you gave each book. I said in the video that I loved it — but I think I more loved the experience of reading it and how much it made me feel, rather than the book itself. You know?
This totally made me cry, and when I started crying the video hadn’t even been on long. I am NOT happy that Tris died and I’m very, very upset about it. Even without that, I didn’t really love this book.
I think it’s going to take a long time for readers to get over!
GREAT review! I agree. I also loved it, but it wasn’t perfect. I didn’t love that the voices weren’t distinct enough and there was an info-dump about “beyond the wall” but I’m more of an overall experience kind of reader and when I think of it that way, it was pretty amazing. I think VR is very very brave indeed.
Anna Reply:October 29th, 2013 at 2:50 pm
Definitely a gutsy move — she had to know people would have strong reactions so must have REALLY felt this was the ended she needed to do. Soooo interesting.
Yup, this was exactly how I felt after I finished Allegiant. (And for several days after.) Thanks. I love your video! I think Veronica Roth is brave. I admire her so much for staying true to her vision, her story. I loved the ending. (SPOILER!) How courageous of Tobias to go into politics. I love that he decided to do something positive with his experiences and his life – to use politics to change the world. What a way to honor Tris. <3
I felt almost the exact same way! Even with the minor problems I had with the book it was still perfect to me! Also, I love your blog and stick figure videos! They are so funny! 🙂
Ugh. Okay, so I’m late to the game here – I saw this post the day it was posted and then tried to hurry up and finish the book — but it didn’t go smoothly for me. I think because I knew what happened and I dreaded every second of the book. And I was SO. ANGRY. Because – like others – this was one of my all-time favorite series (and Four is perhaps my all time fictional crush) and I can’t believe she killed Tris. I can’t believe it. UGH. That said – it didn’t happen the way I was afraid it was going to happen (death serum) and she DID redeem the situation a little bit with that healing/send-off (Christina/Four friendship – love). Still – I never want to read this book again. And that’s so heartbreaking because I could read the first two books over and over again forever. P.S. Your video helped me feel better about the book.
Anna – Finally glad I can talk to someone about Allegiant. This series has been so wonderful but this third book was hard to digest. Thank goodness the characters were just as overwhelmed as I was about leaving Chicago – talk about information overload. Your video sums up everything perfectly – I mean the dual POV? Uriah?! Tris’ death?!?! Come on! And I’m still not sure how I feel about Caleb. Overall, loved the series and the third book but still processing…everything.
I saw this post back when you first put it up but since I hadn’t read Allegiant yet I forced myself not to look at it. Now having read Allegiant I am so thankful for your post and your little video, it made me smile through my tears :’) I was totally fine with the book until that moment, the moment I knew what was going to happen, I almost stopped reading but instead kept on going, screaming NO in my head and then the heartbreak and anger, I did throw the book. I really feel it was pointless and that’s what hurts the most. She didn’t want to die, she shouldn’t have died or if she did have to die it should have been done in a better way. I would prefer for it to be a joke, for Veronica to come out with another book and that somehow it wasn’t really Tris. That she’s being tested on for scientific answers about her genes waiting for Tobias to come save her. Obviously that’s not going to happen, but I can hope!
NO! NO! NO! SERIOUSLY!?!?!
i didn’t even want to finish that!
still GREAT trilogy!
and seriously…kudos veronica roth. i didn’t see that coming. AT. ALL.
still makes me angry.
but way to give an ending not expected.
The fact that I haven’t read the series, that video made me rethink how soon I’ll be grabbing it off the library shelves lol
I seriously cried harder at the end of this than I did at the end of The Fault In Our Stars. I had to put the book down for 10 minutes. I somewhat wish that someone had come and saved Tris or she just shot David. >.>
I thought the first two were good, but Allegiant kind of… threw me off with the trilogy. For one, I felt like Veronica was just coming up with problem after problem with no real sign of an ending, y’know? Like maybe she wasn’t too sure how she planned to end the entire conflict(s). And Tris’s death… the first two books were dedicated to her growth and strength and all that, and she just, kills her off… I kept hoping that Tris would come back because I remember that in the book, Amar once said that Tobias was someone better with Tris around. So with Tris gone, what does that mean? And with that, Tris’s death seemed so… downplayed, I guess. There was nothing super heroic or dramatic about it that would be remembered for ages, and she seemed emphasized to be so talented, what with the truth serum not working on her and the death serum as well! I feel like what she did just couldn’t completely compensate for her death, I guess… I dunno, what happened with Tris hit me hardest in the heart 🙁
honestly, i still enjoyed the book. like i thought that the plot was pretty well thought out, with everything about her mother and the United States. i was confused a couple times with the perspective but it didnt really bother me. it didnt take much just to turn the page back and see who it was. and although i didnt want Tris to die, i thought that it was fitting that she did, and I can see why Veronica Roth did it. My only complaint is that i wish Tobias was with her when she died. I didnt like how one of the most random characters in the book broke him the news an hour after it happened. However, the epilogue was fantastic. it was wonderful how she tied everything together with the zipline, having Tobias overcome one of his fears for Tris. i thought that was done very well. But overall, although i would have liked to see Tobias and Tris live happily ever after (like Peeta and Katniss in Mockingjay), i was still happy with it, because it perfectly exemplified who Tris really is.
I just finished this afternoon. I feel deeply sad, mainly that Four has to live the rest of his life without Tris! Seriously, I’ve never mourned this much over a book.
Thanks for the video. It helps. 😉
Anna Reply:February 13th, 2014 at 1:56 pm
OMG I KNOW. So upsetting!!!
I had a whole bottle of wine after I finished. And I was still crying. Great video, Anna! Captures all my feelings.
AND REALLY, what happened THAT night?!? UGH. They never said it.
Anna Reply:April 4th, 2014 at 11:02 am
HAHAH a whole bottle of wine basically sums up what you need to get over this book!!!
I felt that the end of Allegiant drained all happiness from me, never has a book ending done this to me. Wasn’t Caleb going to sacrifice himself because he wanted to sort of redeem himself, nearly getting Tris killed in the Erudite lab, but now instead of him dieing, Tris actually does die. Imagine the guilt he had after that. (To be honest I would rather have Caleb die, I didn’t like him much :P)
Anna Reply:April 18th, 2014 at 11:37 am
BOOO I agree on Caleb. He’s the worst.
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